in 2025, Ubuntu has gone Wayland only. I still always use Openbox.
I may be expecting Debian to drop x.org in 2026, which is complicated.
Red Hat Linux, owned by IBM, since they paid $34,000,000,000 for it a few years ago, they are put in a position of spending much money to promote a new standard, Wayland, which must be more secure than the old standard. So, not surprising that some of the Maintainers for X.org decide to act poorly and abandon future X.org maintenance while still working for Red Hat. https://blog.desdelinux.net/en/red-hat-intends-to-stop-x-org-server-development/
So, the two companies that have spent $$$ on Wayland have decided that X.org is too expensive. Since this is political effort, the politics will go bad for X.org and the X.org fork, Xlibre.
I have a 6 core Ryzen desktop, with 32GB DDR4 RAM, I much appreciate the snappiness of Openbox.
Any effort spent in supporting X.org or Xlibre would be appreciated, even if it means moving away from Debian. Thank you.
Quote from: kanliot on November 15, 2025, 06:05:21 PM[....]
I may be expecting Debian to drop x.org in 2026, which is complicated.
(https://i.imgur.com/bDtcOwK.gif) Honestly, I don't think that will happen ...
Please, check out this thread on Reddit. Talking about the topic, in the near future:
QuoteHonestly, I don't think that will happen ...=
Thanks for the reply. Honestly from my perspective, it's hard to know what is important sometimes.
You may have noticed, but I did, that that person on reddit you mentioned above, (user METUS-*) is no longer saying anything positive about x.org, but is advocating for Xlibre. Reading his history ${today}
again, I open his reddit page to see what he says this week:
see https://old.reddit.com/user/metux-its
NOTHING good about x.org.
again, I think this is politics, not anything that makes logical sense. Please remember how Windows11 killed old PC computers without the new chip.
note to self don't click quick reply twice
X.org is actually faster, and Wayland is actually prettier.
I was watching "THE FIRST LINUX END OF LIFE IN THE HISTORY" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzYGg5hhiWo (read comments) and I've noticed that this guy is actually pretty gloomy. I really don't care about old hardware, I just want snappy X.org that never lags.
After reading the comments on that video, I noticed that Linux Mint has a different problem. Their problem is that Cinnamon isn't supporting Wayland. So they have to slowly port Cinnamon to Wayland or whatever.
FYI, they have managed to get Xlibre running on Mint without much problems: see https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?p=2711784
And porting Cinnamon to Wayland seems to be a pain in the ass. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewforum.php?f=266
Which answers a question I was wondering about... why are GNOME/KDE making such a big departure over X.org? The answer is that it's not a small thing to go from X.org -> Wayland.
I'll also repeat a point I just heard in the youtube I linked.... Wayland moves much of it's functionality into compositor plugins, which means that all of the old X.org standards are replaced by a new set of plugins which may not be on any new distro.