yes i was downloading from Sourceforge, I had to change mirrors 2 ce , It is calling out after a clean install, i even went with a Sparky Minimal install, That helped but after installing Mozilla Firefox, it started again, After some digging in Firefox i found there is No way to remove the Trusted Credentials of Dubious Entities, Like Amazon, Google, Baltimore, Microsoft, Deploy.Akamaitechnologies, And other Minor web trackers, I feel it is Major Security flaw that should be investigated. I have installed other web browsers like iceCat, with only the same results. Ive even Deleted the Certificates only for them to reappear at next boot. I have posted a partial list in my other post in this thread. You have made more sense than any one so far, Thank You